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		<title>By: sheridan</title>
		<link>http://bydanielvictor.com/2008/07/04/why-everyone-should-be-ashamed-of-the-infamous-comment-thread/#comment-2953</link>
		<dc:creator>sheridan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son knew he needed to stop smoking. He'd just seen his father die at 38 from lung cancer. That was the spark that made him realize that smoking could literally kill him. Unfortunately, every time he tried to stop, he would yield to temptation within a few days. I looked at using a nicotine patch and nicotine gum, but didn't want him to use either. For me, it seemed silly to take the same substance that causes the addiction - nicotine. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son knew he needed to stop smoking. He&#8217;d just seen his father die at 38 from lung cancer. That was the spark that made him realize that smoking could literally kill him. Unfortunately, every time he tried to stop, he would yield to temptation within a few days. I looked at using a nicotine patch and nicotine gum, but didn&#8217;t want him to use either. For me, it seemed silly to take the same substance that causes the addiction - nicotine.<br />
I searched for a natural and safe method to quit smoking: <a href="http://freshnewsday.com/stop-smoking.html" rel="nofollow">http://freshnewsday.com/stop-smoking.html</a><br />
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		<title>By: John L. Micek</title>
		<link>http://bydanielvictor.com/2008/07/04/why-everyone-should-be-ashamed-of-the-infamous-comment-thread/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>John L. Micek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings from someone about to bid farewell to around a quarter of his colleagues. 

It's mutate or die, folks. And nothing we say or do will ever change that. So I would humbly submit that instead of shooting a young journalist for speaking her mind we ought to be praising her for having the gumption to do so. 

After all, we all want this industry to survive right? And it'd be nice if it were filled with people who are enthusiastic about what they do.

And also I defy any of the grizzled veterans amongst us to prove that they weren't young and naive once as well. 

It's nice to know that, at 38, there's still a bench to rely on.

And spare me the sanctimony about the young author's spelling skills. How many of you habitually misspell stuff? 

For me, commercial is invariably commerical before I go back and run the spell-check. You're going to crucify her for that? 

Oh ... and I 'blog ...
http://blogs.mcall.com/capitol_ideas 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings from someone about to bid farewell to around a quarter of his colleagues. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s mutate or die, folks. And nothing we say or do will ever change that. So I would humbly submit that instead of shooting a young journalist for speaking her mind we ought to be praising her for having the gumption to do so. </p>
<p>After all, we all want this industry to survive right? And it&#8217;d be nice if it were filled with people who are enthusiastic about what they do.</p>
<p>And also I defy any of the grizzled veterans amongst us to prove that they weren&#8217;t young and naive once as well. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice to know that, at 38, there&#8217;s still a bench to rely on.</p>
<p>And spare me the sanctimony about the young author&#8217;s spelling skills. How many of you habitually misspell stuff? </p>
<p>For me, commercial is invariably commerical before I go back and run the spell-check. You&#8217;re going to crucify her for that? </p>
<p>Oh &#8230; and I &#8216;blog &#8230;<br />
<a href="http://blogs.mcall.com/capitol_ideas" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.mcall.com/capitol_ideas</a> </p>
<p>John Micek<br />
The Allentown Morning Call</p>
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		<title>By: Wenalway</title>
		<link>http://bydanielvictor.com/2008/07/04/why-everyone-should-be-ashamed-of-the-infamous-comment-thread/#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>Wenalway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Translation of Graham's post: blahblahblahnopointblahblahblahrepeatsamethingsblahblahblahblah.

Lots of chaff there. Not much wheat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Translation of Graham&#8217;s post: blahblahblahnopointblahblahblahrepeatsamethingsblahblahblahblah.</p>
<p>Lots of chaff there. Not much wheat.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Shevlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Shevlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attacking an argument based on typos is symptomatic of an inability to sort wheat from chaff. If a commenter can't be bothered to read the argument and respond to the argument, but instead picks on the typos, that tells me that the person is most likely either being lazy, small-minded or both. 
The level of typos does not have a lot to do with the argument, unless the spelling and grammar become so atrocious that one cannot even discern what the argument is (and sadly, given the downward drift in writing standards on the Internet, this is sometimes true).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attacking an argument based on typos is symptomatic of an inability to sort wheat from chaff. If a commenter can&#8217;t be bothered to read the argument and respond to the argument, but instead picks on the typos, that tells me that the person is most likely either being lazy, small-minded or both.<br />
The level of typos does not have a lot to do with the argument, unless the spelling and grammar become so atrocious that one cannot even discern what the argument is (and sadly, given the downward drift in writing standards on the Internet, this is sometimes true).</p>
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		<title>By: Wenalway</title>
		<link>http://bydanielvictor.com/2008/07/04/why-everyone-should-be-ashamed-of-the-infamous-comment-thread/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator>Wenalway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan:

Let's get the first one out of the way: "First: Attacking an argument for its typos (or bona fide misspellings) instead of its lack of merit is usually a sign that the argument has some validity." That makes no sense. If it's written poorly and people point that out, that gives it validity? Um, OK.

I agree with most of the rest of your post. In my earlier post, I was merely trying to delineate the difference between not knowing how to spell a word/not bothering to look it up and simply typing it incorrectly.

Continuing this part of the discussion, though, obscures the real point: The intern made herself look foolish with a poorly thought-out, poorly written, tactless entry. The people who think that laying off some workers while keeping the same management is innovative really need to get a clue and a half. That's where Jessica really dropped the ball with her clueless, unfiltered idolation of the person delivering the bad news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan:</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get the first one out of the way: &#8220;First: Attacking an argument for its typos (or bona fide misspellings) instead of its lack of merit is usually a sign that the argument has some validity.&#8221; That makes no sense. If it&#8217;s written poorly and people point that out, that gives it validity? Um, OK.</p>
<p>I agree with most of the rest of your post. In my earlier post, I was merely trying to delineate the difference between not knowing how to spell a word/not bothering to look it up and simply typing it incorrectly.</p>
<p>Continuing this part of the discussion, though, obscures the real point: The intern made herself look foolish with a poorly thought-out, poorly written, tactless entry. The people who think that laying off some workers while keeping the same management is innovative really need to get a clue and a half. That&#8217;s where Jessica really dropped the ball with her clueless, unfiltered idolation of the person delivering the bad news.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Killian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Killian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So... wait a minute; this means war?

This is one of those cases where everyone is so wrong about certain things, the valid points they might make are lost. I won't even know why I'm commenting.

But I guess I'll address the typos discussion (and hopefully avoid them in the process.)

First: Attacking an argument for its typos (or bona fide misspellings) instead of its lack of merit is usually a sign that the argument has some validity. Attacking one's spelling acumen or even their intelligence does not affect the point they're trying to make. If it is the ideas that bother you, it is the ideas you must reject.

Second: Don't make typos. Don't misspell words. You'll look unprofessional and unintelligent. If you're a blogger, you can easily buddy up with someone who will copy edit your stuff. With my primary blog right now, I have the luxury of being part of a two-man operation. We clue each other into mistakes, and I think we're running a pretty typo-free blog. It's important. "You'll lose your credibility," isn't just some idle threat made by old professors. Every time I encounter an error, it makes an impact. Police yourself, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230; wait a minute; this means war?</p>
<p>This is one of those cases where everyone is so wrong about certain things, the valid points they might make are lost. I won&#8217;t even know why I&#8217;m commenting.</p>
<p>But I guess I&#8217;ll address the typos discussion (and hopefully avoid them in the process.)</p>
<p>First: Attacking an argument for its typos (or bona fide misspellings) instead of its lack of merit is usually a sign that the argument has some validity. Attacking one&#8217;s spelling acumen or even their intelligence does not affect the point they&#8217;re trying to make. If it is the ideas that bother you, it is the ideas you must reject.</p>
<p>Second: Don&#8217;t make typos. Don&#8217;t misspell words. You&#8217;ll look unprofessional and unintelligent. If you&#8217;re a blogger, you can easily buddy up with someone who will copy edit your stuff. With my primary blog right now, I have the luxury of being part of a two-man operation. We clue each other into mistakes, and I think we&#8217;re running a pretty typo-free blog. It&#8217;s important. &#8220;You&#8217;ll lose your credibility,&#8221; isn&#8217;t just some idle threat made by old professors. Every time I encounter an error, it makes an impact. Police yourself, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Wenalway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wenalway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ricky:

Sorry, those aren't typos. There's a big difference. I sometimes make typos myself, generally because I type very fast, sometimes on bad keyboards (like now), and also because I dislocated a finger a few years ago.

I get no mercy in those cases. But typing "layed" instead of "laid" is not a typo, especially when it's done more than once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ricky:</p>
<p>Sorry, those aren&#8217;t typos. There&#8217;s a big difference. I sometimes make typos myself, generally because I type very fast, sometimes on bad keyboards (like now), and also because I dislocated a finger a few years ago.</p>
<p>I get no mercy in those cases. But typing &#8220;layed&#8221; instead of &#8220;laid&#8221; is not a typo, especially when it&#8217;s done more than once.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky Treon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricky Treon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 02:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The arguing about typos on a blog is one I don't like. Typos happen, and on a personal blog, that's OK. If you're blogging for a news organization, that's a different story.

As far as the rest of the commenters: I'm glad this started a discussion, but very little discussing happened. Too much anger and fear. And the blackballing thing pissed me off. That's a very bad threat to make, especially for someone trying to make a living in what I still think is a noble and necessary profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The arguing about typos on a blog is one I don&#8217;t like. Typos happen, and on a personal blog, that&#8217;s OK. If you&#8217;re blogging for a news organization, that&#8217;s a different story.</p>
<p>As far as the rest of the commenters: I&#8217;m glad this started a discussion, but very little discussing happened. Too much anger and fear. And the blackballing thing pissed me off. That&#8217;s a very bad threat to make, especially for someone trying to make a living in what I still think is a noble and necessary profession.</p>
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		<title>By: Elissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 01:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You will all please forgive me for this, but the amount of typos from the posted journalists are way above what is acceptable. And, it is my opinion that the journalists are not imploding. The issue is that media has been taking a huge curve which no one could foresee properly. No different than the poor infrastructure (roads, bridges, etc.) we have in our communities coast to coast. The current infrastructure is from lack of foresight, lack of seeing the population growth. Why do you think many people are finally getting the message about the environment??? Many of us have waited for 20+++ years. So, just like that problem, there are answers and none ever come from bickering.
I wish you all well. Think well. Do well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You will all please forgive me for this, but the amount of typos from the posted journalists are way above what is acceptable. And, it is my opinion that the journalists are not imploding. The issue is that media has been taking a huge curve which no one could foresee properly. No different than the poor infrastructure (roads, bridges, etc.) we have in our communities coast to coast. The current infrastructure is from lack of foresight, lack of seeing the population growth. Why do you think many people are finally getting the message about the environment??? Many of us have waited for 20+++ years. So, just like that problem, there are answers and none ever come from bickering.<br />
I wish you all well. Think well. Do well.</p>
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		<dc:creator>&#8250; Daily Links 07/05/2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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