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		<title>By: Paul Bradshaw</title>
		<link>http://bydanielvictor.com/2008/09/02/keeping-online-journalism-away-from-the-underpant-gnomes/comment-page-1/#comment-1206</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Bradshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attempted to address this question here: http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/01/28/making-money-from-journalism-new-media-business-models-a-model-for-the-21st-century-newsroom-pt5/ 
The fundamental thing is that things are moving so fast that no one has time to plan the business model. The expectation is of a Darwinian selection process it seems... or Google just buys us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attempted to address this question here: <a href="http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/01/28/making-money-from-journalism-new-media-business-models-a-model-for-the-21st-century-newsroom-pt5/" rel="nofollow">http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/01/28/making-money-from-journalism-new-media-business-models-a-model-for-the-21st-century-newsroom-pt5/</a><br />
The fundamental thing is that things are moving so fast that no one has time to plan the business model. The expectation is of a Darwinian selection process it seems&#8230; or Google just buys us all.</p>
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		<title>By: It Could Be Worse &#187; Blog Archive &#187; dConstruct 2008: part three</title>
		<link>http://bydanielvictor.com/2008/09/02/keeping-online-journalism-away-from-the-underpant-gnomes/comment-page-1/#comment-665</link>
		<dc:creator>It Could Be Worse &#187; Blog Archive &#187; dConstruct 2008: part three</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] *R*evenue (profit!) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-09-08 &#171; David Black</title>
		<link>http://bydanielvictor.com/2008/09/02/keeping-online-journalism-away-from-the-underpant-gnomes/comment-page-1/#comment-464</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2008-09-08 &#171; David Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Keeping online journalism away from the Underpant Gnomes - Daniel Victor &quot;Web-savvy reporters right now are the Underpant Gnomes. We’re getting better at gathering the underpants, but we don’t know how to turn them into profit yet.&quot; (tags: internet business journalism) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Keeping online journalism away from the Underpant Gnomes &#8211; Daniel Victor &quot;Web-savvy reporters right now are the Underpant Gnomes. We’re getting better at gathering the underpants, but we don’t know how to turn them into profit yet.&quot; (tags: internet business journalism) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Lee / jBlog &#187; Web advertising needs to be measure in exposure, not clicks</title>
		<link>http://bydanielvictor.com/2008/09/02/keeping-online-journalism-away-from-the-underpant-gnomes/comment-page-1/#comment-406</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Lee / jBlog &#187; Web advertising needs to be measure in exposure, not clicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a thought that&#8217;s been bugging me ever since I read Daniel Victor&#8217;s very interesting post about monitizing the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel Victor</title>
		<link>http://bydanielvictor.com/2008/09/02/keeping-online-journalism-away-from-the-underpant-gnomes/comment-page-1/#comment-318</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Digidave After all the Uhs and Ums, Spot.us was the first thing I mentioned when I replied to the question. I agree it&#039;s not a silver bullet, but it does strike me as an important step. 

@Joanna My paper has taken a similar somewhat step in print by producing more stand-alone magazines. Not our core mission, no, but as far as I know they&#039;ve been profitable. So you&#039;re right that trying to cling to revenue from department stores and classifieds probably isn&#039;t the best idea. If shifting staff resources away from selling print ads and toward putting on baby beauty competitions is going to pay the bills, I&#039;m all for it. 

@Josh I very much agree. But can it be monetized to the point where we partially make up for the reduced costs of printing the paper product, to the extent that we can maintain an adequate reporting staff that the community needs? Maybe, but that&#039;s not a given.

Of course, that&#039;s taking the assumption that the professional news organization needs to be saved, which I recognize not everyone assumes. I personally believe that, but wouldn&#039;t be at all surprised if someday the &quot;business model&quot; for journalism doesn&#039;t include professional organizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Digidave After all the Uhs and Ums, Spot.us was the first thing I mentioned when I replied to the question. I agree it&#8217;s not a silver bullet, but it does strike me as an important step. </p>
<p>@Joanna My paper has taken a similar somewhat step in print by producing more stand-alone magazines. Not our core mission, no, but as far as I know they&#8217;ve been profitable. So you&#8217;re right that trying to cling to revenue from department stores and classifieds probably isn&#8217;t the best idea. If shifting staff resources away from selling print ads and toward putting on baby beauty competitions is going to pay the bills, I&#8217;m all for it. </p>
<p>@Josh I very much agree. But can it be monetized to the point where we partially make up for the reduced costs of printing the paper product, to the extent that we can maintain an adequate reporting staff that the community needs? Maybe, but that&#8217;s not a given.</p>
<p>Of course, that&#8217;s taking the assumption that the professional news organization needs to be saved, which I recognize not everyone assumes. I personally believe that, but wouldn&#8217;t be at all surprised if someday the &#8220;business model&#8221; for journalism doesn&#8217;t include professional organizations.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad fact of the matter is that you&#039;re not going to monetize the news to the extent that it was, say, 15 years ago.  While it think a successful business model will emerge, the heyday has passed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad fact of the matter is that you&#8217;re not going to monetize the news to the extent that it was, say, 15 years ago.  While it think a successful business model will emerge, the heyday has passed.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanna Geary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanna Geary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel I couldn&#039;t agree more!

I worry about this more than I worry about anything else concerning the industry and have considered studying business studies and economics in my spare time just because I am so obsessed with finding a way to fund good journalism.

Not that I think I&#039;ll be able to come up with anything on my own, mind you. I think future revenue for online journalism will be distributed and it will be a collective effort to learn what works and what doesn&#039;t.

But I am staying optimistic that there is a way to make good money online.

A few months ago I walked past an advertisement for a local newspaper&#039;s baby beauty competition. Competitions like this are run by newspapers all over the UK because they are popular and profitable. But, at some point, someone had to link the publication of cute baby pictures with the delivery of local news.

Whilst it seems normal for that connection to be made now, I imagine it took a creative mind to see the opportunity in the first place.

What is in our favour is that journalists are supposed to be good at making connections that may not seem so obvious to other people. 

I know traditionally journalists have been kept away from the process of making money, but I think the market have changed so dramatically that this practice can&#039;t go on. 

I think we could all do with better understanding our market and learning how to appeal to it. That doesn&#039;t mean we have to kowtow to our biggest sponsors in the face of a negative story, it just means having a good idea of who we&#039;re writing for and what they might actually want to read/participate in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel I couldn&#8217;t agree more!</p>
<p>I worry about this more than I worry about anything else concerning the industry and have considered studying business studies and economics in my spare time just because I am so obsessed with finding a way to fund good journalism.</p>
<p>Not that I think I&#8217;ll be able to come up with anything on my own, mind you. I think future revenue for online journalism will be distributed and it will be a collective effort to learn what works and what doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>But I am staying optimistic that there is a way to make good money online.</p>
<p>A few months ago I walked past an advertisement for a local newspaper&#8217;s baby beauty competition. Competitions like this are run by newspapers all over the UK because they are popular and profitable. But, at some point, someone had to link the publication of cute baby pictures with the delivery of local news.</p>
<p>Whilst it seems normal for that connection to be made now, I imagine it took a creative mind to see the opportunity in the first place.</p>
<p>What is in our favour is that journalists are supposed to be good at making connections that may not seem so obvious to other people. </p>
<p>I know traditionally journalists have been kept away from the process of making money, but I think the market have changed so dramatically that this practice can&#8217;t go on. </p>
<p>I think we could all do with better understanding our market and learning how to appeal to it. That doesn&#8217;t mean we have to kowtow to our biggest sponsors in the face of a negative story, it just means having a good idea of who we&#8217;re writing for and what they might actually want to read/participate in.</p>
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		<title>By: Digidave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Digidave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn right Daniel!! 

To be honest - I&#039;m not a business guy either. Part of what motivated me to switch gears into spot.us was because I couldn&#039;t, in good conscious, continue to spend all my time thinking about content - if we don&#039;t have a way to make sure that content creates money. 

Is Spot.Us THE answer. Probably not. I don&#039;t think there is such a thing as a silver bullet - but I do believe in the law of numbers. If enough people tackle this problem - we will figure something out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn right Daniel!! </p>
<p>To be honest &#8211; I&#8217;m not a business guy either. Part of what motivated me to switch gears into spot.us was because I couldn&#8217;t, in good conscious, continue to spend all my time thinking about content &#8211; if we don&#8217;t have a way to make sure that content creates money. </p>
<p>Is Spot.Us THE answer. Probably not. I don&#8217;t think there is such a thing as a silver bullet &#8211; but I do believe in the law of numbers. If enough people tackle this problem &#8211; we will figure something out.</p>
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